This is a spicy one. In a no-holds-barred convo with 500 Global’s Khailee Ng, we unpack the emotional, economic, and ecosystem-wide challenges currently plaguing Southeast Asia’s startup scene.
In this Part 1, Khailee describes his concept of a "doom loop" in brutal detail - characterized by decreased venture capital funding, lower returns for investors, and an emotional toll on founders and employees. This challenging period stems from a combination of macroeconomic shifts, and a "flight to safety" among global investors.
Khailee throws down an open challenge to us all: want out? Stack your leverage, play smarter kung fu, and stop being a crab in the tub.
Timestamps
00:30 – The One-VC Trap
Why betting on a single investor makes founders desperate—and why VCs can smell it a mile away.
03:00 – The Origin of the Doom Loop
Khailee calls out the emotional + economic spiral dragging down SEA’s ecosystem—and the ripple effect from LPs to media.
07:00 – “We're Already in the Doom Loop”
A reality check: how Southeast Asia's weak returns, capital flight, and startup stagnation form a self-reinforcing mess.
13:30 – Buy Now, Panic Later
Khailee explains SEA’s economic moment through TikTok shopping sprees, Labubus, and why we’re spending money we don’t have.
18:30 – Founder Fantasy vs. Founder Reality
Up rounds, Forbes lists, and dreams of glory crash into layoffs and bad term sheets.
22:10 – 🦀 Crabs in a Tub Metaphor
The viral moment: Khailee’s gut-punch story about crabs tearing each other apart—aka, what happens when the ecosystem turns toxic.
26:00 – The Founder/VC Power Flip
How “founder-friendly” went too far, and why true ecosystem health requires more than just swinging the pendulum.
35:00 – Real Tactics to Escape the Doom Loop
Khailee drops tactical fundraising kung fu—alternate capital sources, customer-led funding, and the underrated “ladder strategy.”
39:00 – Walk Up the Ladder, Walk Down with Power
How to build momentum with small checks, close the middle, and bring in the whales last.
41:30 – Media’s Role: Balance or Blame?
A candid back-and-forth on whether media is exposing injustice—or just feeding emotional virality.
47:00 – Viral Positivity Is Underrated
Why “wholesome hustle” needs to go viral too—and how startup media can learn from Upworthy and educators on TikTok.
52:00 – “We're Squabbling Over Chairs on the Titanic”
A callout to the ecosystem: focus on fixing fundamentals, not finger-pointing.
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60/40 is co-hosted by: Prashanth Ranganathan, Peter Bithos, and Maria Li. Special thanks to our guest, Khailee Ng, Managing Partner of 500 Global.
A podcast by Tech in Asia, a member of The Business Times. Produced by Studio+65.