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This is a joyful rebellion. The podcast that explores the moment you realize the life and success you worked so hard to create didn’t come with all of the fulfillment you thought it would.
Each week, we attempt to inspire bold answers to the question, “What do I do now to create a life I love?”
If you are ready to start answering that question for yourself, you’re in the right place. Let’s start A Joyful Rebellion.
How to Think Like a Futurist- Steven Zeller on AI, Risk, and the Power of Iteration
A Joyful Rebellion
55 minutes
5 months ago
How to Think Like a Futurist- Steven Zeller on AI, Risk, and the Power of Iteration
Episode Summary
What if the hard season you’re in isn’t a detour—but the actual path?
Steven Zeller is a serial entrepreneur, technologist, and futurist who’s built and lost businesses, found clarity in discomfort, and never stopped chasing what’s next. In this episode of A Joyful Rebellion, Steven shares how being broke, unsupported, and underestimated became the foundation for his most innovative work.
We talk about building your first million (and losing it fast), navigating entrepreneurship without a safety net, and how failure became his best mentor. Steven opens up about growing up without support, learning business in real time, and why your inner circle matters more than your pitch deck. Then we shift into the future: AI, genetic engineering, wearable tech, deepfakes, and the fine line between human potential and transhumanism.
This episode is a rare peek into the mind of someone who sees the future clearly—and isn’t afraid to walk straight into it.
Show Notes & Chapters
[00:00] Opening question: Is technology making us dumber—or just more reliant?
[01:00] Meet Steven Zeller: serial entrepreneur, tech futurist, self-made risk-taker
[03:00] From Midwest middle child to forging his own path—without college
[06:00] Choosing neurosurgery… or entrepreneurship?
[08:00] Breaking generational expectations without a support system
[11:00] Early mistakes, bad influences, and learning business by doing
[13:00] Making a million—and losing it fast
[15:00] The “woe is me” moment, and what he did differently the second time
[18:00] Why iteration matters more than perfection
[21:00] Version 3.0 of your life—and why reinvention is your best strategy
[24:00] AI, robotics, and why humans were built for more than monotony
[28:00] The distinction between usable and distraction tech
[33:00] How we think with tools—and why that isn’t always a bad thing
[36:00] Deepfakes, disinformation, and the need for AI fact-checkers
[39:00] What Steven’s most excited about: genetics, organ regeneration, and life extension
[43:00] The ethics of editing embryos—and the danger of designer babies
[45:00] Medical disruption vs. medical monetization
[47:00] The idea of “downloading a cure” in the not-so-distant future
[50:00] Transhumanism, identity, and what makes us human
[52:00] Final thoughts: Better tech, better humans, and drawing the line
Resources
Connect with Steven on LinkedIn
Topics mentioned: ChatGPT, Sora, Quantum Computing, Human Genome Project, IPS cells, Brain-computer interfaces
A Joyful Rebellion
This is a joyful rebellion. The podcast that explores the moment you realize the life and success you worked so hard to create didn’t come with all of the fulfillment you thought it would.
Each week, we attempt to inspire bold answers to the question, “What do I do now to create a life I love?”
If you are ready to start answering that question for yourself, you’re in the right place. Let’s start A Joyful Rebellion.