Join me, Adrienne “Goody” Goodson, on this special episode of A WNBA State of Mind as I welcome my former Utah Starzz teammate Debbie Black. We played side-by-side in Utah before she was traded to the Miami Sol — where she went on to become the WNBA Defensive Player of the Year. 💪

At just 5′3″, Debbie was the smallest player in the league, but she had the biggest heart. Her energy, grit, and fearlessness earned her the nickname “The Pest,” and she remains one of the most relentless defenders in WNBA history. In this heartfelt and powerful conversation, we talk: Life on the Utah Starzz together The journey of being a top defender in a league full of giants Transitioning from player to coach What it takes to be resilient — on and off the court Whether you watched us back then or are discovering our story for the first time, this episode is full of inspiration, laughs, and lessons from two women who built their legacy on hard work, courage, and loyalty.

We chat about the state of the WNBA the revenue sharing the new four leagues. Come Chill...