Today, we speak with Paul van Son, a driving force behind the megaproject called Desertec for more than a decade. And with David Toke, a reader in the Department of Politics and International Relations at the University of Aberdeen in the UK; he helps us understand "green certificates." Finally, we talk with Prof. Claudia Kemfert of DIW about why she has shifted from a Desertec supporter to a proponent of distributed renewables. "Ecologics" by Cymene Howe: https://library.oapen.org/bitstream/handle/20.500.12657/24898/9781478004400.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y "From Foucauldian Biopower to Infopower and Energopower: A Review of Colin Koopman's and Dominic Boyer's Novel Conceptualizations of Power" by Kirstin Hasberg: https://foucaldien.net/articles/10.16995/lefou.70/ Tricolor: https://tricolor-web.com/