Pauline is joined by Rhonda Garelick, the founding director of Hofstra University's Institute for Public Humanities and the Arts. Rhonda also is a columnist for the New York Times Style Section and the author of three books, including “Mademoiselle: Coco Chanel and the Pulse of History.”

Together, Pauline and Rhonda discuss the science of ugliness -- who is ugly? And who decides? How much of our perceptions of ugliness are determined by biology and genetics vs. cultural and societal norms?

The two women also discuss how social media is reshaping our standards of beauty and the impact of technologies - like GLP-1 drugs and plastic surgery - on our perceptions and ideals.