In this conversation, Peter Smith and Nick Evans discuss the recent Tesla shareholder event, focusing on Elon Musk's ambitious new pay package potentially worth a trillion dollars in Tesla stock. They explore the implications of this package, including the aggressive operational and market cap milestones Musk must achieve. The discussion also delves into the future of robotics, particularly the Optimus humanoid robot and RoboTaxi service, and the ethical considerations surrounding digital consciousness and the potential for uploading human minds into robots. The hosts emphasize the challenges and societal impacts of these innovations, as well as Tesla's competitive edge in the rapidly evolving tech landscape.