I sat down with award-winning investigative journalist Ross Coulthart for a deep and personal conversation about the UFO phenomenon, secrecy, and the weight of uncovering truths long hidden from the public. This is not just a story about sightings. It is about power, disinformation, and the people behind the scenes who have seen more than they were ever meant to. One of Ross’s most powerful revelations centers around Nat Kobitz, former head of science and technology development for the U.S. Navy. Before he passed, Nat confirmed that the United States had recovered multiple non-human craft. He described being brought to a deep underground facility, where he was shown a piece of a craft’s bulkhead. What stunned him was the engineering. As an expert in electron beam welding, Nat recognized that the materials had been bonded atom by atom using methods far beyond any known human capability. He made it clear to Ross, "This was not our technology." We also explored the mystery of the Buga Sphere, the significance of the Kaikoura incident, and what Ross personally witnessed in Sedona. We discussed how mainstream media has failed to confront decades of government-led disinformation and how secrecy continues to dominate global efforts to suppress the truth about non-human intelligence. Ross opens up about the emotional toll of chasing these stories and why he sees it as a journalistic responsibility to follow the evidence wherever it leads. This conversation is about the future of transparency, the growing public hunger for answers, and the awakening happening across generations. Stay until the end, where Ross shares the story of a buried craft too large to move and the bunker being built around it. | Ross Coulthart | YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6PrA6lo8rJLRExhMvX6wKyNzy0hr_QM3 X - https://x.com/rosscoulthart | Sponsors | MASA: Ready to give MASA a try? Go to https://www.masachips.com/pages/jesse-michels and use code JESSEMICHELS for 25% off your first order. Qualia: Take control of your cellular health today. Go to https://qualialife.com/jesse and save 15% to experience the science of feeling younger. Brunt: Get $10 Off @BRUNT with code [JESSE] at https://bruntworkwear.com/JESSE -------------------------- JOIN OUR WHOP (Early Drops/Ad Free) ➤  https://whop.com/jessemichels Check Out Our New Store ➤ https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ Patreon  (Early Drops/Ad Free) ➤ https://www.patreon.com/c/JesseMichels Discord ➤https://discord.gg/crHc44m3kF Instagram ➤ https://www.instagram.com/jessemichelsofficial TikTok ➤ https://www.tiktok.com/@itsjessemichels X ➤ https://twitter.com/AlchemyAmerican Spotify ➤ https://tinyurl.com/jessemichelsspotify Clips Channel ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@JesseMichelsClips Website ➤ https://www.jesse-michels.com/ Media Inquiries ➤ gordon@jessemichelsmedia.com #RossCoulthart #UFO #UAP #Arizona #JesseMichels Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices