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Paul Hynek joins me for a deep conversation about his father, J. Allen Hynek, the astronomer who led Project Blue Book and created the Close Encounters scale. We talk about his father’s work as a consultant on Spielberg’s Close Encounters of the Third Kind, what he really believed about UFOs, and the legacy he left behind. Paul also shares stories about meeting Neil Armstrong, dives into fringe UFO cases, and opens up about his interest in the Monroe Institute, altered states, and the role psychedelics might play in understanding the phenomenon.