In this special conversation, Thomas sits down with one of the most well-known and highly regarded gravel pros and host of the With Pace Podcast, Payson McElveen. In this deep dive, Payson and Thomas talk about the future of gravel cycling, its current state, the evolving business side of the sport, and the trends that are shaping its future. They also touch on Payson's strong result at Leadville, what makes this iconic race unique, and how it's evolving alongside the sport. Topics in this episode: * Payson's Leadville Recap: A look back at Payson's strong 5th place finish at Leadville and how he overcame a hip injury from earlier in the season to achieve a top result. * Consolidation in Gravel: Is consolidation coming to the sport? * Governing Gravel: Does gravel need a cohesive series or "governing body" that is run more like the NBA than the UCI in order to make the sport sustainable? * Teams and Domestiques: Why teams may be good for gravel but would have to be implemented with a plan to be sustainable. * Gravel Media: How will live streams evolve? Why the sport's organic, athlete-driven media is a unique strength and need to be bundled and made accessible. Featured in This Episode: * Payson McElveen: Gravel Professional & Host of the With Pace Podcast. Follow him on Instagram: @paysonmcelveen [https://www.instagram.com/paysonmcelveen/] * Thomas Euler: Your host and author of The Gravel Stack: https://thegravelstack.substack.com/ is also on Instagram: @cookxride [https://instagram.com/cookxride] Don't miss this insightful conversation about what's next for the world's fastest-growing cycling discipline! Subscribe and leave a review! If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe and leave a rating and review. It helps us reach more listeners and continue to bring you great content.