Delaware-born linebacker Debo Williams joins Kail this week to talk honest, unfiltered life after football, chasing the NFL dream, and becoming a 23-year-old tech entrepreneur. From growing up in Smyrna, grinding his way from an under-recruited high school athlete to the University of Delaware and then transferring to play SEC football at the University of South Carolina, Debo breaks down what college recruiting actually looks like. They get into the realities of what really happens when you don’t get drafted even after calls from most of the league. Debo shares how he turned that uncertainty into purpose by launching SpendHer Hotline, an app that connects real people to real experts for paid advice on anything from podcasting to mechanics. Debo and Kail also talk youth sports culture, parents rearranging their entire lives for kids’ athletics, when it’s time to push vs. when it’s time to pull back, and what to do when your kid is “good” but not a clear D1 star. If you’re a parent of an athlete, a student-athlete, or someone trying to pivot after a dream doesn’t go as planned, this episode is for you. Follow Debo and download SpendHer Hotline now! For full video episodes head to patreon.com/kaillowry Thanks for supporting the show by checking out the sponsors! Hiya: for 50% off their best selling children’s vitamin head to hiyahealth.com/famous Shopify: Start your one dollar a month free trial period at shopify.com/famous Everyday dose: Get 61% off your first Coffee+ Starter Kit, a free A2 Probiotic Creamer, with over $100 in free gifts by going to everydaydose.com/FAMOUS or entering FAMOUS at checkout. HERS: start your initial free visit at forhers.com/barelyfamous. Willie’s: Order now at drinkwillies.com and use code FAMOUS for 20% off of your first order + free shipping on orders over $95, and enjoy life in the high country. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.