Jess and Anissa are back in the chaos closet, pretending podcasting is self-care while their kids bang on the door. In this episode, they spill on relationships, parenting, and how they’re using wellness tools like red light therapy and sarcasm to stay alive through the holidays.

They get into the messy reality of modern couples: trying to grow as humans without breaking up, setting boundaries without feeling like the bad guy, and keeping the spark alive when you both fall asleep at 9:30. There’s talk of Thanksgiving expectations (spoiler: keep them low), finding joy in tiny moments, and why humor might be the most underrated form of therapy.

If you’re a parent, in a relationship, or just trying not to lose your mind at a family gathering, this one’s basically free group therapy—with better jokes.

Keywords: podcasting, relationships, self-care, red light therapy, parenting, personal growth, Thanksgiving, humor, couples, boundaries, wellness