In this episode of Beyond Business, we sit down with Deborah Mannis-Gardner, the world-renowned “Queen of Sample Clearance.”

Deborah has worked with some of the biggest names in music — from Drake, Jay-Z, and Tyler, the Creator to Beyoncé and Rockstar Games (yes, GTA VI!).

She opens up about:
🎶 The evolution of sample clearance from the 1990s to 2025
💡 How AI is reshaping the ethics of music and copyright
💼 Building a business on loyalty, family values, and respect
🌍 Working on everything from To Pimp a Butterfly to Grand Theft Auto 6
❤️ Why people — not numbers — are what truly matter in business

If you care about music, creativity, and the future of technology in the arts, this is an episode you don’t want to miss.