For this episode our guest interview is with Dr. Mary B. McRae. Mary is a retired New York University (NYU) professor of Applied Psychology. She developed the "Working with Differences" group relations conferences at NYU and has directed and worked on staff at group relations conferences in the US and internationally. Mary is also a psychoanalytically oriented psychotherapist, consultant, executive coach and author. in this interview Mary and I have a meaningful conversation about her group relations work origins, her innovations/adaptations in conferences, our connections, and the importance of expanding the group relations work model to incorporate a focus on race, culture, social identities and authority and power.