In today's episode, the Binder podcast crew dives into the world of abstract art. Ray and producer Drew kick things off with a conversation about why abstraction can be challenging for some viewers, then play a game designed to explore emotional connections to art. Later, Sadé Ayorinde, curator of Sam Gilliam: Printmaker and Let’s Have a Talk,joins the show to discuss the CMA’s latest exhibitions celebrating the contributions of Black artists to abstract art. Finally, Katie Chandler, CMA visitor experience manager, stops by to share her love for abstraction both as an artist and an enthusiastic viewer.