Episode Summary This episode of Blindsight takes a deep dive into one of the most essential yet difficult skills in mental and emotional health: active listening. Host Bill Lundgren and returning guest-turned-co-host Bethany Joy Boring explore how silence, curiosity, and emotional safety shape meaningful connection—especially within the blind and low-vision community, where non-visual cues and communication dynamics differ from the sighted world. Bill and Bethany demonstrate a live role-play showing how quickly conversation can derail when someone asserts dominance, makes assumptions, or stops listening. They break down the moment tension begins, the bodily sensations that signal emotional shifts, and the way triggers—both spoken and unspoken—shape responses. Listeners learn: Why silence can be a powerful connector rather than something to fear How to approach storytelling only with people who feel safe How to gently redirect when someone interrupts, overpowers, or shifts the focus The emotional cost of constantly “filling space” when you are blind or hard of hearing How to identify your “marble jar people” (those who can hold your real story) The importance of permission: knowing when someone wants listening, guidance, or simply presence This conversation is honest, practical, and deeply human—offering strategies for better communication, better boundaries, and better emotional awareness. Contact Info Guest / Co-Host Bethany Joy Boring — Mental Health Consultant & Author Aftersight Website: aftersight.org Feedback & questions: feedback@aftersight.org Phone: (720) 712-8856 Producer Jonathan Price — Podcast & Program Producer, Aftersight jonathan@aftersight.org Show Credits Host: Bill Lundgren Co-Host: Bethany Joy Boring Producer: Jonathan Price An Aftersight Original Podcast 4) Chapter Markers 00:00 — Opening & Topic Introduction 01:12 — Why Active Listening Is Hard Today 02:40 — Role-Play: When Communication Breaks Down 04:52 — Identifying the Moment Tension Begins 07:18 — How Body Signals Warn Us Early 09:40 — Practicing Awareness Before Hard Conversations 12:14 — The Listener’s Job: Curiosity, Not Assumption 14:22 — Staying Calm When Conversations Escalate 16:47 — How Vocabulary Changes Emotional Tone 18:56 — Safety, Storytelling, and Permission 21:11 — “I’m With You”: The Power of Silent Presence 23:18 — Bill’s Example: Silence as Support 25:32 — Why Silence Scares Us 27:46 — Protecting Yourself When You Can’t See/Hear 30:05 — When Pretending to Be OK Becomes Default 32:31 — How to Ask: “Do You Want Listening or Advice?” 34:53 — Not Everyone Is a Safe Person, and That’s OK 36:58 — Responding When Someone Minimizes Your Story 39:22 — Setting Boundaries Gently 41:32 — You Don’t Have to Stay in Unsafe Conversations 43:54 — Circles of Intimacy & “Marble Jar People” 46:16 — Sharing Vulnerability Only With the Right People 48:14 — Your Story Matters 50:40 — Closing Reflections & Next Episode Teaser