THINGS MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

Elmer and Gray have a free wheeling conversation, mostly about television, to end the season. Other topics include the Disney Channel Original, love triangles, books, movies, and where the podcast is headed in 2026.

Many many thanks to everyone who listened this year — we love you!

Zenon Girl of the 21st Century — musical performance

Black Mirror, Season 2 Episode 1 - Be Right Back

What We Can Know by Ian McEwan

Enshittification: Why Everything Suddenly Got Worse and What to Do About It by Cory Doctorow

Today, Explained from Vox: We’re swimming in AI slop. Here’s how to tell the difference.

4th Annual Harrison County Arts Holiday Open House Fundraiser featuring Tin Pan Alley Cats