In this episode, I sit down with Rich Spicer, a multifaceted artist, writer, and self-described "creative survivalist."

We delve into his journey of self-discovery, including his late diagnosis of autism, and how it transformed his understanding of his life and work.

Rich shares the profound impact of this diagnosis on his art and personal narrative, exploring themes of masking, vulnerability, and the struggle to present authentic work to the world.

We also discuss his experiences during the pandemic, how he used art as a means of survival, and his ongoing projects, including a book titled *The Treasure Within the Ruins*.

Rich opens up about the challenges of translating deeply personal experiences into art, the tension between artistic expression and commercialization, and his views on the role of imperfection in art.

This conversation is a deep dive into the creative process, identity, and the pursuit of authenticity.