Breaking Complexity Podcast is a platform where we unravel the intricate, the abstract, and the unconventional across design, technology, creativity, and entrepreneurship.
Curated and co-hosted by Sushant Verma—an architect, technologist, educator, and four-time TEDx speaker—this podcast brings together thought leaders, trailblazers, and visionaries who challenge norms and redefine industries.
Each episode explores how complexity is broken down into innovation, strategy, and creative breakthroughs, sparking engaging discussions that are thought-provoking, insightful, and fun.
️ Streaming on: Spotify | Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | YouTube | Podcast Website
Featuring: Experts in design, architecture, technology, business, and creative fields
Format: Dynamic two-way & three-way conversations with deep insights into complex ideas
The Breaking Complexity Podcast brings together pioneers from architecture, design, AI, real estate, creative business, and emerging technology—exploring how they navigate uncertainty, innovation, and curvilinear career paths.
Does creativity require complexity? Or are we just flirting with technology?
Season 0 is the prelude to Breaking Complexity Podcast, a playful yet profound look at how technology has become an integral part of design, architecture, and creative processes. It brings together insights from Sushant Verma’s past TEDx talks, public discussions, and design dialogues with global pioneers.
A mix of fresh recordings and curated excerpts from TEDx talks, public panels, and industry discussions.
Candid insights from design pioneers & global experts from firms like Zaha Hadid Architects, Mamou-Mani Architects, Heatherwick Studio, Foster + Partners, Architectural Association (AADRL), Bartlett UCL, and more.
Deep dives into AI, computational design, digital fabrication, and emerging creative technology.
Season 0 is centered around Sushant Verma, unfolding his journey, the evolution of rat[LAB] Studio, and his experiences with design technology. It also includes glimpses from his interviews with pioneers conducted for his upcoming book, Filling the Void: Rise of Design Technologies in Architecture.
1️⃣ Flirting with Design Technologies – An Unfinished Love Story ️
2️⃣ When AI and Architecture Went on a Date ️
3️⃣ Beyond Facades – Breaking the Grid & Embracing Nonlinearity
4️⃣ Smart Education – Teaching Machines or Teaching Minds?
5️⃣ The Struggles of Dating Technology – Love, Hate & Innovation
6️⃣ Digital Fabrication – Building the Future, One Algorithm at a Time ️️
7️⃣ The Art of Complexity – Parametric Art & Algorithmic Aesthetics
8️⃣ Collaborative Flirting – When Disciplines Merge
Season 1 takes a bold, witty, and unconventional look at complexity through the lens of curves—both literal and metaphorical.
From curvilinear architecture and design innovations to nonlinear career trajectories and unconventional business strategies, this season uncovers the power of breaking the straight line.
Expect candid conversations with risk-takers, creative minds, and innovators who are shaping the future in design, business, and technology.
Topics include:
️ Curvilinear facades & interiors
️ Nonlinear career journeys
️ The business of bending rules
️ Digital fabrication & computational design
️ The philosophy of curves in nature, design, and life
Join us as we challenge conventions and reshape the narrative of complexity.
Follow Breaking Complexity Podcast for updates, guest announcements, and new episodes!
Architect | Design Technologist | Educator with 15+ years of experience in cutting-edge architecture & computational design.
Four-time TEDx Speaker – sharing insights on computational design, AI in architecture & the future of design education.
Published Author – currently working on new publications focused on design, technology & innovation.
Educator & Mentor – upskilled 3,000+ architects & designers across India and led 7 Global Visiting Schools in the UK, USA, Italy, Taiwan, Japan, Egypt, the Philippines, Ukraine, and Belarus.
️ Founder of RAT[LAB] Studio – pioneering parametric & computational design, creating futuristic facades, urban interventions, art installations & algorithm-driven spaces. Making every project iconic, no matter the size or scale!
️ Host of Breaking Complexity Podcast – engaging with leaders & innovators across industries who are redefining the future.
Avid Photographer – capturing different genres for many years as a creative passion.
Passionate about entrepreneurship, meaningful conversations & smart networking – always up for discussing design, creativity, technology & the future of architecture.
Check out Sushant Verma’s TEDx talks & global features here:
Breaking Complexity Podcast is a platform where we unravel the intricate, the abstract, and the unconventional across design, technology, creativity, and entrepreneurship.
Curated and co-hosted by Sushant Verma—an architect, technologist, educator, and four-time TEDx speaker—this podcast brings together thought leaders, trailblazers, and visionaries who challenge norms and redefine industries.
Each episode explores how complexity is broken down into innovation, strategy, and creative breakthroughs, sparking engaging discussions that are thought-provoking, insightful, and fun.
️ Streaming on: Spotify | Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | YouTube | Podcast Website
Featuring: Experts in design, architecture, technology, business, and creative fields
Format: Dynamic two-way & three-way conversations with deep insights into complex ideas
The Breaking Complexity Podcast brings together pioneers from architecture, design, AI, real estate, creative business, and emerging technology—exploring how they navigate uncertainty, innovation, and curvilinear career paths.
Does creativity require complexity? Or are we just flirting with technology?
Season 0 is the prelude to Breaking Complexity Podcast, a playful yet profound look at how technology has become an integral part of design, architecture, and creative processes. It brings together insights from Sushant Verma’s past TEDx talks, public discussions, and design dialogues with global pioneers.
A mix of fresh recordings and curated excerpts from TEDx talks, public panels, and industry discussions.
Candid insights from design pioneers & global experts from firms like Zaha Hadid Architects, Mamou-Mani Architects, Heatherwick Studio, Foster + Partners, Architectural Association (AADRL), Bartlett UCL, and more.
Deep dives into AI, computational design, digital fabrication, and emerging creative technology.
Season 0 is centered around Sushant Verma, unfolding his journey, the evolution of rat[LAB] Studio, and his experiences with design technology. It also includes glimpses from his interviews with pioneers conducted for his upcoming book, Filling the Void: Rise of Design Technologies in Architecture.
1️⃣ Flirting with Design Technologies – An Unfinished Love Story ️
2️⃣ When AI and Architecture Went on a Date ️
3️⃣ Beyond Facades – Breaking the Grid & Embracing Nonlinearity
4️⃣ Smart Education – Teaching Machines or Teaching Minds?
5️⃣ The Struggles of Dating Technology – Love, Hate & Innovation
6️⃣ Digital Fabrication – Building the Future, One Algorithm at a Time ️️
7️⃣ The Art of Complexity – Parametric Art & Algorithmic Aesthetics
8️⃣ Collaborative Flirting – When Disciplines Merge
Season 1 takes a bold, witty, and unconventional look at complexity through the lens of curves—both literal and metaphorical.
From curvilinear architecture and design innovations to nonlinear career trajectories and unconventional business strategies, this season uncovers the power of breaking the straight line.
Expect candid conversations with risk-takers, creative minds, and innovators who are shaping the future in design, business, and technology.
Topics include:
️ Curvilinear facades & interiors
️ Nonlinear career journeys
️ The business of bending rules
️ Digital fabrication & computational design
️ The philosophy of curves in nature, design, and life
Join us as we challenge conventions and reshape the narrative of complexity.
Follow Breaking Complexity Podcast for updates, guest announcements, and new episodes!
Architect | Design Technologist | Educator with 15+ years of experience in cutting-edge architecture & computational design.
Four-time TEDx Speaker – sharing insights on computational design, AI in architecture & the future of design education.
Published Author – currently working on new publications focused on design, technology & innovation.
Educator & Mentor – upskilled 3,000+ architects & designers across India and led 7 Global Visiting Schools in the UK, USA, Italy, Taiwan, Japan, Egypt, the Philippines, Ukraine, and Belarus.
️ Founder of RAT[LAB] Studio – pioneering parametric & computational design, creating futuristic facades, urban interventions, art installations & algorithm-driven spaces. Making every project iconic, no matter the size or scale!
️ Host of Breaking Complexity Podcast – engaging with leaders & innovators across industries who are redefining the future.
Avid Photographer – capturing different genres for many years as a creative passion.
Passionate about entrepreneurship, meaningful conversations & smart networking – always up for discussing design, creativity, technology & the future of architecture.
Check out Sushant Verma’s TEDx talks & global features here:

4️⃣ Smart Education – Teaching Machines or Teaching Minds? (Ft. Sushant Verma //rat[LAB]; Shajay Bhooshan // Zaha Hadid Architects // AA DRL ; Prasoon Saxena // BCP)
Welcome to Episode 4 of Breaking Complexity Podcast – Season 0: Smart Education – Teaching Machines or Teaching Minds? ️
Host: Prasoon Saxsena | Guest: Sushant Verma
In a world increasingly shaped by AI, automation, and algorithmic thinking—what does it truly mean to “educate” a designer today?
This episode explores the evolving role of design education in the age of intelligent machines. Are we equipping students with tools, or teaching them how to think beyond the tool? As classrooms go hybrid and studios go digital, this conversation uncovers the fine line between enabling creativity and automating it.
What to Expect in This Episode?
️ Rethinking design pedagogy – From traditional studios to AI-enhanced learning
️ Tool vs. Thought – Why knowing how to think trumps knowing what to click
️ SmartLabs & LABrat.ai – How new-age design ecosystems are born
️ Self-learning architects – Why the next-gen is learning differently (and faster)
️ Global insights – Reflections from teaching across 9 countries
Featuring real classroom moments, experimental AI workflows, and behind-the-scenes stories from SmartLabs & edu[LAB], this episode dives deep into the philosophy behind modern design education—blending computation, creativity, and critical thinking.
Are we educating designers, or just training software users?
Let’s reimagine how we teach creativity in a world where machines are learning too.
Watch, Subscribe & Stay Tuned!
Follow @BreakingComplexityPodcast for updates!
About the Curator – Sushant Verma
Architect | Design Technologist | Educator with 15+ years of experience in cutting-edge architecture & computational design.
Four-time TEDx Speaker – sharing insights on computational design, AI in architecture & the future of design education.
Published Author – currently working on new publications focused on design, technology & innovation.
Educator & Mentor – upskilled 3,000+ architects & designers across India and led 7 Global Visiting Schools in the UK, USA, Italy, Taiwan, Japan, Egypt, the Philippines, Ukraine, and Belarus.
️ Founder of rat[LAB] Studio – pioneering parametric & computational design, creating futuristic facades, urban interventions, art installations & algorithm-driven spaces. Making every project iconic, no matter the size or scale! (www.rat-lab.org // https://www.instagram.com/ratlabarch/)
️ Host of Breaking Complexity Podcast – engaging with leaders & innovators across industries who are redefining the future.
Avid Photographer – capturing different genres for many years as a creative passion.
Passionate about entrepreneurship, meaningful conversations & smart networking – always up for discussing design, creativity, technology & the future of architecture.
Check out some of Sushant Verma’s TEDx talks & global features here:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6m1ibrWIfXZtHqnSZ5voK3Yx-ety_k0Z
About Breaking Complexity Podcast
Breaking Complexity Podcast is a platform where we unravel the intricate, the abstract, and the unconventional across design, technology, creativity, and entrepreneurship.
Each episode explores how complexity is broken down into innovation, strategy, and creative breakthroughs, sparking engaging discussions that are thought-provoking, insightful, and fun.
Streaming on: Spotify | Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | YouTube | Podcast Website
️ Episode Highlights (Season 0)
1️⃣ Flirting with Design Technologies – An Unfinished Love Story
2️⃣ Beyond Facades – Breaking the Grid & Embracing Nonlinearity
3️⃣ When AI and Architecture Went on a Date
4️⃣ Smart Education – Teaching Machines or Teaching Minds?
5️⃣ The Art of Complexity – Parametric Art & Algorithmic Aesthetics
6️⃣ Digital Fabrication – Building the Future, One Algorithm at a Time
7️⃣ The Struggles of Dating Technology – Love, Hate & Innovation
8️⃣ Collaborative Flirting – When Disciplines Merge