In this episode, Bruce asks Capitec CEO Graham Lee whether the group is still a bank - given that it is making much more money from fees, phones, and insurance than from earning interest. Lee talks about Capitec’s plans for the future, and about the dangers of ego as it challenges its rivals in terms of size and profitability. Bruce also speaks to Greig Jansen, CEO and founder of PURA, the low-sugar South African cooldrink brand. Backed by a new R260-million investment, the group wants to make a bigger push into the US - despite the tariff war. Meryl Pick, Old Mutual Investment Group Head of Equities Research, gives her insights into the retail sector, while certified financial planner Warren Ingram shares practical tips on building wealth. The podcast is sponsored by Capitec. To catch every episode of Bruce Whitfield’s Business Week, click the follow and subscribe buttons on News24’s Spotify, Apple and YouTube podcast channels. Editions drop on Thursdays at 17:00.