In this thought-provoking conversation, Catherine Toon hosts Dr. Matt Pandel (psychologist and theologian) and Paul Young (author of The Shack), as they dive into the powerful themes of Matt’s newest book "Fractured Witness." This work boldly recognizes the Church’s (Ekklēsia’s) fractured legacy—how faith has been used to justify harm, and how true redemption calls us back to the real Jesus and the reality of what the Church was always meant to be. You’ll hear deeply personal stories, theological reflections, and honest critiques of systems that distort the face of God. From the misuse of scripture to the weaponization of religion, we are invited to sit in the discomfort—and from that sacred space, rediscover a gospel of relentless love, healing, and reconciliation, that can and is occurring through the evolving beautiful healthy church, the way she was meant to be. ✨ If you’ve been wounded by the Church or are seeking to reconcile faith with truth, justice, and compassion and practical suggestions operate in community as God’s life-giving Church, this episode is for you. A behavioral psychologist and theologian, Dr. Matt Pandel is first and foremost a communicator. Ordained in the Anglican/Episcopal tradition, he remains fiercely ecumenical, believing the Church is best when she honors all of the traditions and expressions from which she is formed. In addition to his work as President and Professor of Trinitarian Theology and Spiritual Direction at Global Grace Seminary, he maintains a private consulting practice and serves as a regional mental health policy advisor. He resides in the picturesque Shenandoah Valley of Virginia with his wife and best friend, Carrie. 
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