How can two Christians say the same words - “grace,” “faith,” “gospel” - but mean completely different things?
In this episode of Certainty4Eternity the Podcast, Mark Gilbert and Rayne Orange unpack how Catholics and Protestants often use identical language but live in “different worlds” of meaning. Joined by Dr Leonardo De Chirico from Rome, author of Same Words, Different Worlds , they explore what Scripture actually says about grace, faith, sin, reverence, and the Word of God.
If you’ve ever struggled to understand or communicate clearly with Catholic friends and family, this conversation will help you bridge that gap with truth, humility, and clarity.
🕰️ Timestamps
00:00 – Intro & why we made this episode
00:36 – How to talk with people who think differently
03:46 – “Same words, different worlds” - why communication breaks down
04:13 – Free course announcement -Talking with Catholics About Jesus
09:04 – Words that mean different things between Protestants & Catholics
10:45 – Gospel - Good news vs Gospel reading at Mass
14:20 – Reverence - authentic worship vs formal liturgy
18:48 – Saints - all believers vs canonised holy figures
23:12 – Sin - rebellion of the heart vs moral stains
26:17 – The Word of God - Bible alone vs Scripture + Tradition + Magisterium
33:29 – Interview with Dr Leonardo De Chirico (Rome)
36:46 – What does “grace” really mean?
42:33 – Faith - personal trust vs faith of the Church
47:17 – How the Catholic system redefines grace and nature
52:32 – How to speak clearly with Catholic friends
58:27 – “So what?” - practical ways to communicate the Gospel clearly
1:03:32 – Listener Question: “My friend wants to become Catholic - what should I say?”
1:08:11 – Next Week: Mary the Mother of God
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