n this episode, Anna is joined by Dr. Jared Cooney Horvath, a cognitive neuroscientist, educator, and bestselling author of The Digital Delusion. They examine what decades of research and international data reveal about classroom technology, screens, multitasking, attention, and memory, and why more technology often leads to less learning. Jared explains how offloading knowledge to devices can undermine higher-order thinking, why human teachers’ expertise, and practice, remain central to learning, and when technology may help or hinder students. The conversation also tackles how schools and families can navigate an increasingly tech-saturated education system. This is a thoughtful, evidence-informed episode for educators, parents, and anyone questioning whether digital tools in the classroom are helping students learn or holding them back. This episode is also available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke Order The Digital Delusion here: https://www.lmeglobal.net/digital-delusion TIMESTAMPS [00:00:22] Introduction [00:04:50] Cognitive decline among Gen Z [00:09:14] The decline international test scores and the correlation with technology [00:11:28] Screen usage in schools [00:13:03] Relationship between EdTech and countries that invest less in it [00:16:16] Effect size in education in the context of EdTech [00:20:49] What forms of EdTech work? [00:25:17] When EdTech is a better than nothing [00:32:57] Practise and producers are essential to learning [00:33:30] What is creativity? [00:34:20] Why offloading learning to technology harms creativity [00:38:50] AI: The Tool Nobody Asked For [00:44:17] Difference between K-12 and university students using EdTech [00:47:14]   EdTech creates multi-tasking [00:54:27] Advice: Responding to “digital devices are ubiquitous” [00:55:50] Advice: Responding to “these students learn differently” [01:00:32] General advice for parents and school leaders [01:03:46] Laptops vs iPads vs notetaking by hand [01:06:48] Being a Luddite in the 21st century   RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES  Educational leadership:  Improving math and literacy with Scott Hill https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-vpzf8-16d0c17 Mindsets and educational misconceptions with Carl Hendrick https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-78zv9-15493b1 Applying cognitive science to education with Daniel Willingham https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-szugf-149dff1 The tweet that roared with Tom Bennett https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-bpgqn-14326ef EPISODE TRANSCRIPT https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-62-transcript  MUSIC Intro & Outro: Funk Jazz Big Band -  ColorFilmMusic Website: www.annastokke.com FB: Chalk & Talk IG: @chalkandtalkpodcast Tiktok: @chalkandtalkpodcast X: @rastokke LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social