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Jordan chats with Crusader and All Black, Mitchell Drummond. The halfback touches on his latest Super Rugby title and the red and blacks  formula for success before delving into where his journey began as a nipper in Nelson (12:17).

Life moved quickly for Drummond when he left home as within a year of leaving of school he had a contract with the Crusaders (21:10). While he admits he probably wasn't ready for that level of rugby at that age, he credits the likes of Andy Ellis and Willi Heinz for helping fast-track his development.

Since making his debut in 2014 he has gone on to become the youngest centurion for the club and played alongside a number of legends and lifelong friends. Drummond notes the relationships he's forged as one of the key reasons he's stuck around (33:14) at a time where many who haven't been a constant in a black jersey have cashed in offshore.

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