In this episode of Conversations with Christians Engaged, host Ben Quine continues our FPA: Building a Movement series with a powerful and timely discussion on the biblical relationship between the church and government.

Joined by Greg Baker, Founding Director of the Church Ambassador Network, and Brian Allen, Director of Operations, Ben explores what Scripture teaches about God’s design for family, church, and government — and how believers can faithfully navigate these institutions today.

Rooted in Romans 13:1, this conversation introduces the Shepherd to Shepherd model, which connects pastors and government leaders as fellow servants under the authority of Christ. Greg and Brian share how relational ministry, prayer, and biblical truth are transforming hearts inside state capitols across the country — not through politics, but through the gospel.

Listeners will hear:

• Why separation of church and state is biblical — and why it matters
• How pastors can engage government leaders without compromising the church’s mission
• Real-life stories of prayer opening doors for gospel conversations
• How the Choose Well program equips churches to steward the vote biblically
• Practical ways everyday Christians can pray, support their pastors, and engage faithfully

This episode is a compelling reminder that civic engagement is a mission field — and that God is still at work through faithful presence, humility, and truth.

📖 Scripture referenced: Romans 13:1; John 10; 1 Timothy 2; 2 Timothy 2:24–26

👉 Learn more about the Church Ambassador Network and connect with leaders: https://thefamilyleader.com/about/

👉 Connect with Family Policy Alliance: https://familypolicyalliance.com

🙏 Join Christians Engaged as we equip believers to pray, vote, and engage for the glory of God and the good of our nation.

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