This video is titled "Cults and Witchcraft with Melissa Fortner" from the channel Conversations with Strangers. It is a two-hour interview discussing Melissa Fortner's journey from being a licensed therapist and academic to joining a witchcraft cult, leaving it, and becoming an entrepreneur.
Here is a summary of the key discussion points from the interview:
🔮 From Witchcraft to Cult Member
- Background and Career Pivot: Melissa introduces herself as a hardcore millennial who was always interested in "witchy stuff." She was a licensed therapist focusing on adolescents and was pursuing a PhD in movement psychology [02:30]. However, her two years of research were rejected by the Institutional Review Board (IRB) because it involved studies on minors with Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD), which she was frustrated about as she had been transparent from the start [04:07].
- The Coven Turned Cult: Melissa clarifies that she was part of a coven that "went crazy" and became culty, emphasizing that not all covens follow this path [01:02]. The transition occurred when the group's spiritual life demanded complete dominance over her real life.
- The Coercion to Quit: She details the retreat where the cult leader, "Lux," and other members convinced her that the Norse deities (specifically Freya) were telling her to quit her job and start her own company [26:27]. This pressure, received consistently over several days, led her to make the life-altering decision.
- The Aftermath: Since leaving the cult, she still has the company she founded and is now in an MBA program focused on expanding it, pivoting from "cult member to entrepreneur" [00:45].
✨ Witchcraft and Magic Systems
- Defining "Spa": The host asks about the realism of witchcraft. Melissa explains that she was taught a specific magic system called "Spa" (Spontaneous Affinity) [11:11]. She describes it as something non-witches do all the time, using an analogy of noticing a car bobbing and weaving through traffic on the highway.
- Pagans and Pantheons: They discuss the definition of paganism in a modern context, noting that many pagans follow ancestral pantheons (like Norse, Celtic, or Hellenic), which are groups of gods and goddesses [21:35].
✈️ Travel and Business
- Melissa mentions that she now travels extensively for her company. She often has to drive long distances (like 34 hours to Salt Lake City) because her main product, perfume, is considered hazardous and cannot be checked on a plane or shipped in large quantities [02:16:49].
The video can be viewed here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QiYsNmEkVA
And here’s a link to her company’s website: https://www.sifsniffs.com
