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“Leadership is a People Business.” That's the philosophy of this leadership podcast from Jon Rennie. It's real-world, actionable advice from Jon as well as his expert guests. As a former Cold War Submarine Officer who spent 22 years leading businesses in Corporate America before starting his own manufacturing business, he knows that leadership matters!
#0410 – Brave Leadership: How Courage, Not Comfort, Drives Results with Jill Schulman
Deep Leadership
37 minutes
1 week ago
#0410 – Brave Leadership: How Courage, Not Comfort, Drives Results with Jill Schulman
Brave Leadership: How Courage, Not Comfort, Drives Results with Jill Schulman
Fear shows up quietly in leadership.
It delays decisions. Avoids hard conversations. Keeps talented people playing it safe.
In this episode of Deep Leadership, I’m joined by Jill Schulman, Marine Corps veteran, leadership consultant, and author of The Bravery Effect, to break down why courage—not comfort—is what actually drives results.
Jill shares how fear silently controls behavior at work, why avoiding discomfort makes leaders weaker (not happier), and how bravery can be trained like a muscle. Drawing from military leadership, positive psychology, and decades of executive work, she explains why doing hard things is essential for growth, confidence, and performance.
We talk about:
Why fear is one of the biggest hidden problems in leadership
The science behind bravery and why it’s a skill anyone can build
How avoiding discomfort fuels anxiety and poor decision-making
Why action—not confidence—creates courage
How leaders can build braver teams and cultures
Why “doing hard things” leads to better results and greater fulfillment
If you’re a leader who wants stronger performance, better decisions, and a team that doesn’t crumble under pressure, this conversation will challenge how you think about fear, comfort, and courage.
🎧 Listen in and learn why brave leadership starts with running toward the hard things—not away from them.
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Deep Leadership
“Leadership is a People Business.” That's the philosophy of this leadership podcast from Jon Rennie. It's real-world, actionable advice from Jon as well as his expert guests. As a former Cold War Submarine Officer who spent 22 years leading businesses in Corporate America before starting his own manufacturing business, he knows that leadership matters!
