Kate Grenville has published 18 books over her 40-year career. Her novels include The Idea of Perfection, Lilian’s Story, Joan Makes History, The Secret River, and Restless Dolly Maunder, which was shortlisted for the Margaret and Colin Roderick Literary award. In this episode, Kate talks to Bethany about historical perspectives, women's history, and the Doctorate of Creative Arts that became The Secret River.