Sabrina (prior episode here) and Peter (prior episode here) are back on the encourager pod -- two of the most popular episodes, so give them a listen!

This time they are joined by collaborator Prof Michael Ray.

Together the three have recently put out a fascinating paper entitled, "Unpacking an affordance-based model of chronic pain: a video game analogy".

In this four-way chat (my first go at multiple guests!), we dive into the paper, the concepts and the practicalities.

This is a great way of understanding the reality of pain experience.

We need models and explanations that span the person's first person experience and the third person perspective; the subjective and the objective. They need to be brought together and understood to give meaning and a way forward.

That is what this paper does. Have a listen to the pod and read the paper here.

You can follow and connect with Sabrina on her website and Twitter, with Peter on his website and Twitter, and with Michael on his website and Twitter.