In today's discussion, we take a deep dive into a critical aspect of ufology: the concept of evidence. Together with Dr. Jean-Michel Abrassart, a psychologist and UFO researcher, we explore the challenges associated with eyewitness accounts and their reliability. Dr. Jean-Michel Abrassart advocates the Psychosocial Model, proposing that many UFO sightings can be explained by mundane factors. We examine specific cases, such as the Belgian UFO wave of the late 1980s and early 1990s, to illustrate the complexities surrounding UFO evidence. Throughout our conversation, we engage in a friendly disagreement regarding the significance of alternative forms of evidence, like official government documents, in indicating anomalous phenomena. This episode goes beyond the sceptics vs. believers debate, prompting a thought-provoking question: what is UFO evidence, and how can we study it objectively? Interesting links Dr Abrassart's Academia.edu page: https://independent.academia.edu/JeanMichelAbrassart Support the podcast to keep it ad-free: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/europeanufos