For B2C marketers, founders, and analysts who are tired of surface-level advice and ready to cut through the noise with smarter, data-informed decisions. Host Sundar Swaminathan, former Head of Brand Data Science at Uber and creator of the ExperiMENTAL newsletter, shares real-world insights, ROI breakdowns, and growth strategies from leaders at companies like Uber, Google, and Faire.
Each episode helps you move from guesswork to grounded strategy so you can drive impact, prove marketing value, and lead with confidence.
If you're ready to think critically, test boldly, and grow with clarity, ExperiMENTAL is your bi-weekly dose of thought-provoking, data-savvy marketing wisdom.
New episodes every second Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube.
For B2C marketers, founders, and analysts who are tired of surface-level advice and ready to cut through the noise with smarter, data-informed decisions. Host Sundar Swaminathan, former Head of Brand Data Science at Uber and creator of the ExperiMENTAL newsletter, shares real-world insights, ROI breakdowns, and growth strategies from leaders at companies like Uber, Google, and Faire.
Each episode helps you move from guesswork to grounded strategy so you can drive impact, prove marketing value, and lead with confidence.
If you're ready to think critically, test boldly, and grow with clarity, ExperiMENTAL is your bi-weekly dose of thought-provoking, data-savvy marketing wisdom.
New episodes every second Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube.
What if product marketing was the secret weapon your growth strategy is missing?
In this episode of ExperiMENTAL, Sundar sits down with Damian Valdes, Associate Director of Product Marketing at Spotify, to reveal why product marketers are often the most underutilized force in tech. From launching features like Spotify Jam to designing internal growth experiments, Damian breaks down how PMMs shape product roadmaps, avoid cannibalization, and influence business outcomes beyond campaign performance.
Whether you're scaling a feature, debating when to hire your first marketer, or trying to find product-market fit, this conversation will change the way you think about marketing’s role in building great products.
KEY TAKEAWAYS
• What product marketers actually do
• Why startups often bring PMMs in too late
• The link between product marketing and product management
• How Spotify PMMs balance campaign work with feature development
• The risk of muddy messaging in wide product portfolios
• How Damian used the Jobs-To-Be-Done framework to shape product decisions
• How in-app promotions became a growth lever at Spotify
• Why experienced hires matter more than “scrappy generalists” at early stage
• How to prioritize work using the Eisenhower matrix
• The importance of consumer empathy from L’Oréal to Meta to Spotify
BEST MOMENTS
00:02:05. “We serve as the voice of the consumer.”
00:03:17. “It solves the problem around people hogging the chord at a social get together.”
00:05:22. “You run the risk of maybe cannibalizing the two versus because like truly incremental.”
00:06:58. “Product is brand. Brand is product. Consumers don’t differentiate.”
00:10:04. “We included things that weren’t yet launched... that actually informed the product roadmap.”
00:12:55. “Good marketing is strategy. You can’t remove marketing from it.”
00:17:47. “If it’s measurable, then it’s manageable.”
00:27:07. “Spotify is a company that’s willing to take big bets.”
00:35:23. “Beauty is such a personal decision. It says so much about who you are.”
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