For B2C marketers, founders, and analysts who are tired of surface-level advice and ready to cut through the noise with smarter, data-informed decisions. Host Sundar Swaminathan, former Head of Brand Data Science at Uber and creator of the ExperiMENTAL newsletter, shares real-world insights, ROI breakdowns, and growth strategies from leaders at companies like Uber, Google, and Faire.
Each episode helps you move from guesswork to grounded strategy so you can drive impact, prove marketing value, and lead with confidence.
If you're ready to think critically, test boldly, and grow with clarity, ExperiMENTAL is your bi-weekly dose of thought-provoking, data-savvy marketing wisdom.
New episodes every second Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube.
For B2C marketers, founders, and analysts who are tired of surface-level advice and ready to cut through the noise with smarter, data-informed decisions. Host Sundar Swaminathan, former Head of Brand Data Science at Uber and creator of the ExperiMENTAL newsletter, shares real-world insights, ROI breakdowns, and growth strategies from leaders at companies like Uber, Google, and Faire.
Each episode helps you move from guesswork to grounded strategy so you can drive impact, prove marketing value, and lead with confidence.
If you're ready to think critically, test boldly, and grow with clarity, ExperiMENTAL is your bi-weekly dose of thought-provoking, data-savvy marketing wisdom.
New episodes every second Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube.
Why Brand Building Isn’t Just for CPG: Lessons From Wayfair and Chewy
In this episode of ExperiMENTAL, host Sundar dives into the overlooked pivot from hypergrowth to brand building with Lauren Sutkowski, Head of Brand Marketing at Insurify and former marketing leader at Chewy and Wayfair. This isn't a fluffy chat. It’s a real, practical breakdown of what happens when the growth engine starts sputtering and brand finally takes the wheel. From internal education to channel strategy, Lauren shares what most marketers miss about timing, targeting, and team alignment. If you’ve ever struggled to prove the ROI of brand or wondered when to stop chasing paid search and start building unaided awareness, this one is for you.
Key Takeaways:
• Every consumer-facing team member should know your customer and how they buy
• You can't build a flywheel by chasing only high-intent acquisition
• Slow growth is often the trigger that forces brand investment
• Retention requires deep cross-functional collaboration and clarity
• Price is rarely enough of a differentiator, even with strong CX
• Wayfair succeeded by tightening audience focus on high-LTV segments
• You can’t be everything to everyone and expect retention to work
• Internal brand education needs to touch finance, data, ops, and merch
• YouTube and Meta may be more crutch than brand builders
• Brand impact takes time, patience, and serious measurement commitment
Best Moments:
00:03:18. “Isn't it just keep paying for those customers like you're not really...there's no way to build this strong flywheel.”
00:05:07. “Growth had slowed...it felt like we had started to plateau.”
00:09:10. “A bit more storytelling, a bit more just like, solving their problems.”
00:12:27. “I want to feel like I'm aligning myself with a brand I fully believe in.”
00:14:39. “This is how we retain them. It's not just price point.”
00:17:00. “If you say too many things to your customers, it's a great way to tell them nothing.”
00:19:19. “I think the biggest thing starts with internal education.”
00:34:51. “You can hide not knowing who your audience is really well in those platforms.”
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