In this powerful episode of Frank About Health, I sit down with cancer survivor, patient-advocate, and healthcare disruptor Matthew Zachary for a raw, urgent conversation about what happens when the healthcare system runs out of compassion—and patients are left to fend for themselves.This is not a feel-good survivor story. It’s a truth-telling reckoning.Together, we explore what it means to be “out of patients” in a system that treats people like data points—and why the next phase of healthcare must be driven by lived experience, not bureaucracy.If you’ve ever asked, “Why does surviving feel harder than the illness itself?”This episode is for you.An unfiltered look at MZ's journey with Brain Cancer— from diagnosis to survivorship — and why so many patients feel abandoned after treatment ends.A reframing of hope — not as toxic positivity, but as agency, voice, and systemic accountability.Learn about his podcast "Out of Patients" and his other Advocacy work.Website: www.matthewzachary.com/LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/matthewzachary/Instagram: www.instagram.com/thematthewzachary/?hl=enPodcast: www.outofpatients.com/www.karenrossnow.comwww.frankrharrison.com