The future never arrives all at once. It ripples through society long before we know what to call it.
At the Berggruen Institute, we know that we need more than prediction to name what’s next; we need invention. Each week, Institute President Dawn Nakagawa introduces us to scientists and philosophers recalibrating our cosmologies, technologists coming to terms with alien intelligence, and policymakers scrambling to design systems for a world in flux.
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The future never arrives all at once. It ripples through society long before we know what to call it.
At the Berggruen Institute, we know that we need more than prediction to name what’s next; we need invention. Each week, Institute President Dawn Nakagawa introduces us to scientists and philosophers recalibrating our cosmologies, technologists coming to terms with alien intelligence, and policymakers scrambling to design systems for a world in flux.
Join thinkers and doers from the Berggruen-verse as we imagine a future that we can accomplish together, instead of one that we’re all working to prevent.
The Big Lie Behind AI (with Jaron Lanier and Grant Slater)
Futurology
1 hour 39 minutes
1 month ago
The Big Lie Behind AI (with Jaron Lanier and Grant Slater)
Artificial intelligence isn’t alive. But our belief that it is may be the most dangerous illusion of all. Tech leaders talk about AI as if it thinks for itself. But that fantasy hides a more nuanced story about people, power, and profit.
In this episode of Futurology, musician and technologist Jaron Lanier joins Futurology Producer Grant Slater to explain why treating AI as a creature, rather than a tool, lets corporations own the work of millions and silence the humans behind the code. Lanier argues that every algorithm is built from borrowed human creativity — the songs, stories, and patterns we’ve already made. The way forward, he says, is to restore data dignity: valuing people for the music and meaning they create, instead of worshipping the machines that remix it.
Resources
Who Owns the Future — Jaron Lanier (2013)
The Dawn of the New Everything — Jaron Lanier (2017)
Vers la flamme — Alexander Scriabin
“A Blueprint for a Better Digital Society”--Jaron Lanier and E. Glen Weyl (2018)
Alan Turing’s “Computing Machinery and Intelligence” (Mind, 1950) — alluded to in the discussion of the Turing Test
Instruments of Change — Jaron Lanier (album, 1994, PolyGram)
Fantasia — Walt Disney (1940 film; Hewlett-Packard built its first synthesizer for it)
Clara Rockmore’s Theremin recordings
Snow Crash — Neal Stephenson (1992 novel)
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Credits
Producers: Grant Slater, Alex Gardels, Nathalia Ramos
Associate Producer: Elissa Mardiney
Mixing & Mastering: Aaron Bastinelli
Theme Music: Marcus Bagala
Special Thanks: Heather Mason, Olivia de Rienzo, Carly Migliori, Nick Goddard
Futurology
The future never arrives all at once. It ripples through society long before we know what to call it.
At the Berggruen Institute, we know that we need more than prediction to name what’s next; we need invention. Each week, Institute President Dawn Nakagawa introduces us to scientists and philosophers recalibrating our cosmologies, technologists coming to terms with alien intelligence, and policymakers scrambling to design systems for a world in flux.
Join thinkers and doers from the Berggruen-verse as we imagine a future that we can accomplish together, instead of one that we’re all working to prevent.
