Recorded early in 2025 after leading the best team in the modern era to 4x premiership wins back to back Ivan Cleary shares with you Leadership lessons and wisdom that will never age. Joining me off camera was world class business leader Wes Maas ( you can find an episode recorded with Wes on this channel ‘ from rugby league to billionaire’ ) who is also a life long learner and took the opportunity to sit face to face with Ivan in a relaxed setting in Ivan’s backyard and some priceless conversation and knowledge sharing off camera over dinner. Sometimes that is the best way to learn and through technology and this podcast we are proud to share with you this opportunity where we hope you feel like you are sitting with us in this priceless way of learning spending time with one of Australia’s most successful coaches and best leaders in professional sport. As you develop your own unique leadership playbook on your own journey we hope this can be an episode you can always come back to and we totally recommend Ivan’s book - ‘Not everything counts but everything matters’