Today I’m talking to Carl Benjamin about what people are calling “the right’s civil war” — and why the story most of us are being told might be missing the point. SPONSORS: Earn up to 4 per cent on gold, paid in gold: https://www.monetary-metals.com/heretics/  Use my code Andrew25 on MyHeritage: https://bit.ly/AndrewGoldDNA  Grab your free seat to the 2-Day AI Mastermind: https://link.outskill.com/GOLDNOV4  Start fresh at tryfum.com/products/zero-crisp-mint . Over 500,000 people have already made the switch — no nicotine, no vapor, no batteries. Just flavor, fidget, and a fresh start. Get up to 45% off Ekster with my code ANDREWGOLDHERETICS: https://partner.ekster.com/andrewgoldheretics  Plaud links! Official Website: Uk: https://bit.ly/3K7jDGm US: https://bit.ly/4a0tUie  Amazon: https://amzn.to/4hQVyAm Get an automatic 20% discount at checkout until December 1st. Cut your wireless bill to 15 bucks a month at https://mintmobile.com/heretics  A lot of this conversation is about labels, loyalty tests, and what happens when movements turn inward: who gets cast out, who gets listened to, and how ordinary people end up pushed into tribes they don’t fully recognise. I’m not here to do propaganda for anyone - I’m here to understand what’s actually going on. We cover: - What “civil war on the right” even means (and what it doesn’t) - Why factions form, escalate, and start purging allies - How online incentives warp political identity and belonging - The difference between “protecting a culture” and playing tribal status games - What Carl thinks people get wrong about this moment - If you disagree with either of us, I still want you here - but argue the point, not the person. #carlbenjamin #culturewar #politics  Join the 30k heretics on my mailing list: https://andrewgoldheretics.com  Check out my new documentary channel: https://youtube.com/@andrewgoldinvestigates  Andrew on X: https://twitter.com/andrewgold_ok   Insta: https://www.instagram.com/andrewgold_ok Heretics YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@andrewgoldheretics Chapters: 0:00 Carl Benjamin Highlights 4:00 What “woke right” is (and why it’s used as gatekeeping) 8:00 Group claims: Israel as the analogy + demographic security 12:00 Representation, leadership, and why “who governs” matters 16:00 Civic vs ethnic Englishness (and why this gets slippery) 20:00 Grievances beyond immigration: economy, state intrusion, taxes 24:00 Tradition vs bureaucracy: jury trials, “24-hour courts” talk 28:00 Scapegoating minorities vs blaming English political elites 32:00 Categories vs “bundles of relations” (community as the unit) 36:00 When relations break down: resentment, “colonies,” dual loyalties 40:00 What counts as “authoritarian”? Quotas vs visa reversal 44:00 The “Boris wave” argument + welfare resentment example 48:00 “How do you get people to assimilate?” (and is it too late?) 52:00 Greta Thunberg comparison: activism that demands, not solves 56:00 “Should England be governed by English people?” (definition fight) 1:00:00 Foreign-born MPs + why rules might change 1:04:00 Recognition politics: what woke left/right each “gets right” 1:08:00 Victimhood lens + stereotypes / everyday risk judgments 1:12:00 Flags, pride, assimilation vs multiculturalism 1:16:00 “Love other cultures — just not here” + preserving civic life 1:20:00 What would it take to reverse course? Parliament + repeal logic 1:22:48 A Heretic Carl Admires Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices