Jamais Cascio, futurist, scenario expert, and author of Navigating the Age of Chaos, joins Danny Buerkli for a deep dive into scenario planning. They discuss how the discipline has evolved since the days of Herman Kahn at RAND and Pierre Wack at Shell, whether the military or the private sector do it better, why geoengineering might lead to predictable trouble (and why we might do it anyway), and whether today’s AI is more or less weird than Jamais once imagined. Jamais also reflects on his time working with Ken Waltz and shares the story behind his BANI framework, which captures how many now perceive the world: brittle, anxious, nonlinear, and incomprehensible.