In this episode we're joined by poet Ashia Ajani as they talk about their poetry collection, their family's migration story, as well as how Black folk's liberation is tied to the liberation of the land.  Ashia S. Ajani is a sunshower, a glass bead, a carnivorous plant, an overripe nectarine. Hailing from Denver, CO, Queen City of the Plains and the unceded territories of the Cheyenne, Ute & Arapahoe peoples, Ashia is the author of one collection of poetry, Heirloom [https://bookshop.org/a/93534/9781949342499] (Write Bloody Publishing, 2023) and a forthcoming nonfiction collection,Tending the Vines (Timber Press, 2026). RESOURCES * Heirloom [https://bookshop.org/a/93534/9781949342499]by Ashia Ajani * Black Earth Wisdom: Soulful Conversations with Black Environmentalists [https://bookshop.org/a/93534/9780063160897] by Leah Penniman * Farming While Black: Soul Fire Farm's Practical Guide to Liberation on the Land [https://bookshop.org/a/93534/9781603587617] by Leah Penniman * Black on Earth: African American Ecoliterary Traditions [https://bookshop.org/a/93534/9780820337203]by Kimberly N Ruffin * "BBQ Becky: The 'Woman on the Phone Meme,' Explained [https://www.inverse.com/article/44978-bbq-becky-woman-on-the-phone-meme-explained]" by Catie Keck. Inverse. * "Oakland Residents Fear Suspicious Death May Have Been a Lynching, Calling for Transparency [https://sfist.com/2025/08/02/oakland-residents-fear-suspicious-death-may-have-been-a-lynching-calling-for-transparency/]" by Leanne Maxwell. SFist. * "Family awaits results of independent autopsy on Delta State student Trey Reed [https://mississippitoday.org/2025/10/24/family-awaits-results-independent-autopsy-delta-state-student-trey-reed/]" by Leonardo Bevilacqua. Mississippi Today. * "Genealogy of a Vacant Lot [https://www.artreviewoxford.com/issues/ARO12.pdf]" by Ashia Ajani Create your podcast today! [https://zencastr.com/?via=danielle-buckingham] #madeonzencastr BOOKSHOP https://bookshop.org/shop/hoodooplantmamas Apocalypse Still [https://bookshop.org/a/93534/9798989936809] by Leah Nicole Whitcomb About the Boy [https://bookshop.org/a/93534/9798989936823] by Leah Nicole Whitcomb Between Us [https://bookshop.org/a/93534/9798989936847] (pre-order) by Leah Nicole Whitcomb SOCIAL MEDIA Instagram: @hoodooplantmamas DONATE Paypal: paypal.me/hoodooplantmamas Cashapp: cash.me/$hoodooplantmamas This podcast was created, hosted, and produced by Dani & Leah. Our music was created by Ghrey, and our artwork was designed by Bianca.