This episode is a little different.
Jo and I sat down on the couch at the end of a massive year - no script, no structure, just two humans reflecting on what 2025 actually felt like.

What unfolded was honest, imperfect and surprisingly satisfying.

Together we explore:

• The truth of hitting an end-of-year energy wall

• Why we skipped recording earlier this week and chose connection over content

• The “real” version of burnout- the kind that comes from misalignment, not overwork

• What our podcasts, groups and therapy training taught us about storytelling and connection

• The quiet gifts this year gave us: imperfection, belonging and resonance

• The moments, people and conversations that touched us in unexpected ways

• What we’re dreaming into for next year and what we’re learning to let be

If you’re craving a slower, more spacious take on end-of-year reflection, one that isn’t all highlight reels and forced positivity, this might be the episode you listen to on a walk or with a cup of tea.

It’s a conversation about being human… thanks for coming along for the ride.