Chas Floyd Johnson joined me to discuss his name; radio; getting the first TV in the neighborhood in 1948; going to Howard with Stokely Carmichael; Stony Brook Prepatory School; working for JFK's 1960 campaign; Howard Players; getting his law degree; working in the US Copyright Office; getting an job offer at UNESCO; guesting on Toma and Kojak with Sylvester Stallone; working in the Universal mail room for three days; getting a job on Rockford; rising to producer; writing stories; David Chase; writing the phone messages on Rockford; Jim Garner being great to work with; doing The New Maverick and First Monday with Garner; macho and self deprecating; casting African Americans; Hellinger's Law pilot with Telly Savalas and Sean Penn (getting his SAG card); First Monday; Simon & Simon pilot; favorite Rockfords; Magnum, PI; Magnum vs. Higgins; being a military lawyer in Vietnam; first show to tackle PTSD; Ivan Dixon; Frank Sinatra guest stars; Magnum gets cancelled, killed off and revived; BL Stryker with Burt Reynolds; retiring after 55 years in show business; pilots that didn't sell The Silver Fox with James Coburn and Revealing Evidence with a young Stanley Tucci; JAG; life imitating art going back to his time as a military lawyer; NCIS and its spinoffs; Mark Harmon fits in with all his leads; Ziva; Pauley Perrette; all the writers he has worked with; Red Tails about Tuskegee Airman; making a documentary about the history of The Congressional Black Caucus; never wanted to write a sitcom; my working with John L Lewis (who he made a documentary about) and John McCain