In this episode, Tim Spears and Ray O'Brocki delve into the critical topic of fire safety in construction. They discuss the challenges in fire safety education and enforcement, the importance of comprehensive fire safety plans, and the role of fire prevention program managers. The conversation also covers the perception of fire safety and the risk of complacency, the use of temporary alarm systems on construction sites, and the management of temporary systems. The episode concludes with a discussion on how to improve construction fire safety, emphasizing the enforcement of existing codes and standards and the need for more resources for fire marshal's offices and building departments. 1. Introduction and Background: The podcast begins with Tim Spears welcoming Ray O'Brocki to the show. They discuss the importance of fire safety in construction, especially in light of recent events. Ray shares his background as a fire service representative for the American Wood Council, his experience as a fire marshal, and his current role in the industry. 2. Fire Safety Challenges: Ray highlights the challenges in fire safety during construction, including the education gap and enforcement gap between the fire service, building department, and industry. He emphasizes that the responsibility for construction fire safety rests with the owner, but enforcement should be a collaborative effort between the building and fire departments. 3. Fire Safety Plans: The conversation shifts to the importance of fire safety plans during construction. Ray suggests that these plans should be discussed during pre-construction meetings and should include details about site security, fire protection features, and emergency procedures. 4. Fire Safety in Complex Projects: Tim and Ray discuss the need for comprehensive fire safety plans for complex construction projects. They touch on the challenges of phased occupancy and the importance of training for fire prevention program managers. 5. Fire Safety Perception and Complacency: The hosts discuss the perception of fire safety and how complacency can be a risk. They note that while fire safety has improved over the years, the risk is still present and needs to be taken seriously. 6. Temporary Alarm Systems: Ray introduces the concept of temporary alarm systems for construction sites. These systems are Wi-Fi enabled, battery powered, and can be moved from one job site to another. They can monitor multiple data channels, including heat, smoke, and humidity, and can send alerts to designated individuals or directly to 911. 7. Managing Temporary Systems: Ray discusses the importance of properly installing and managing temporary systems on construction sites, such as temporary electric and emergency generators. He emphasizes that these systems should be installed per code and that hazardous materials should be stored according to standards. 8. Incentives and Fire Safety: Ray notes that construction managers have strong incentives to finish projects early and under budget, which can sometimes lead to fire safety being overlooked. 9. Improving Construction Fire Safety: The podcast concludes with a discussion on areas for improvement in construction fire safety. Ray suggests that enforcing the existing codes and standards would be a significant step forward. He also highlights the need for more resources and staffing for fire marshal's offices and building departments, especially those that focus on construction.