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Go beyond the headlines with in-depth conversations featuring top industry leaders across the entire credit lifecycle. From CLOs and private credit to the broader financial landscape under the Octus umbrella, this series delivers expert perspectives, market-shaping insights, and exclusive analysis to keep you ahead of the curve.
EP 06: The CLO Boom and What Comes Next with John Kerschner
Industry Insights: Exclusive Interviews
43 minutes
3 weeks ago
EP 06: The CLO Boom and What Comes Next with John Kerschner
Julie Miecamp sets the stage at (00:00:04), framing how CLO ETFs jumped from niche to mainstream and why that shift matters now. She brings in Octus reporter Diana Bravo at (00:01:04) to lay out the stakes and context for the interview. John Kerschner joins Diana at (00:03:12) and walks through the ETF origin story, why CLOs fit the wrapper, how active design and investor education drove scale, and what the adoption curve really looked like for retail vs institutions.
Midway, they use the April “Liberation Day” wobble as a live case study, starting at (00:12:22), to explain spread moves, why price and NAV briefly diverged, and how the structure behaved under stress. The conversation then moves into ETF plumbing at (00:26:08) and in-kind vs cash creates/redeems at (00:28:23), clarifying why AUM down doesn’t automatically mean forced selling.
The global lens opens at (00:15:24) with Europe and UCITS access, including offshore tax considerations and early AUM. Competition and market share dynamics kick in around (00:13:10), highlighting how education and liquidity helped sustain first-mover advantage. Kerschner’s macro and risk outlook starts at (00:33:27), followed by a growth view on potential AUM scaling in the next 12–18 months. The rapid-fire close begins at (00:39:46). Julie returns to wrap the episode at (00:42:16) with takeaways and the subscribe nudge.
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CreditsHost: Julie MiecampGuest Interviewer: Diana BravoGuest: John Kerschner, Global Head of Securitized Products, Janus HendersonProduced and edited by: Tanya Hubbard
Industry Insights: Exclusive Interviews
Go beyond the headlines with in-depth conversations featuring top industry leaders across the entire credit lifecycle. From CLOs and private credit to the broader financial landscape under the Octus umbrella, this series delivers expert perspectives, market-shaping insights, and exclusive analysis to keep you ahead of the curve.
