Data mesh, data governance, and yet… we’re still stuck in Excel. What are we even doing?

In this episode, Giuliano sits down with Chris Wagner – veteran of the data trenches, Director of Data Solutions at Baker Tilly, and the data god behind Kratos BI. They dig into data mesh, governance, and why we keep reinventing the same wheel when it comes to organizing data.

No fluff, no hype—just sharp insights and real talk from someone who’s seen it all.

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