This is my conversation with Jake Chervinsky, Chief Legal Officer at Variant, and previously the Chief Policy Officer at Blockchain Association and General Counsel at Compound Labs.

Timestamps:
- (00:00:00) intro
- (00:01:15) ELI5: how the US government works
- (00:10:44) DOGE and the powers of the executive
- (00:19:27) DUNAs, DAOs, and decentralized governance
- (00:27:55) how the law reacts to new technology
- (00:40:19) sponsor: Splits
- (00:41:02) incentives and philosophies of regulators
- (00:48:10) lobbying and goals for the next administration
- (01:01:58) advice for crypto founders
- (01:13:39) personal motivations
- (01:19:30) outro

Links:
- Jake on X: https://x.com/jchervinsky
- Variant Fund: https://variant.fund/
- DeFi Education Fund: https://www.defieducationfund.org/
- Fairshake PAC: https://www.fairshakepac.com/
- Blockchain Association: https://theblockchainassociation.org/

Thank you to our sponsor for making this podcast possible:
- Splits: https://splits.org

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice nor a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.