In this episode of It’s Elementary, Dr. David Watson and Dr. Jessica LaGrone welcome Dr. Nicole Massie Martin—author, speaker, and Chief Executive Officer at Christianity Today—for a powerful conversation about leadership, surrender, and the presence of God in ministry. Nicole shares her journey from Baltimore to global Christian leadership, her calling story, and why authentic encounters with God matter more than ever. Together, they explore themes from her book Nailing It: Why Successful Leadership Demands Suffering and Surrender, the dangers of perfectionism, and practical wisdom for leaders navigating new paths in a changing world. GuestsDr. Nicole Massie Martin – Author of Nailing It, CEO at Christianity Today, Founder of Soulfire Ministries Hosted byDr. Jessica LaGrone – Executive Director, Beeson International Center for Biblical Preaching and Leadership, Asbury Theological Seminary Resources & MentionsNailing It: Why Successful Leadership Demands Suffering and Surrender – Available on AmazonSoulfire Ministries – https://www.sfiministries.orgChristianity Today – https://www.christianitytoday.comAsbury Theological Seminary – https://asbury.toAsbury Theological Seminary Podcasts – https://asbury.to/podcasts Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this episode are the speaker’s own and do not represent the views and opinions of Asbury Theological Seminary. The material and information presented here are for general information purposes only.