In this episode, host Sherry Bagley sits down with Patrick McMillion, core faculty in Counseling and Counselor Education and co-coordinator of the Adventure Therapy Certificate Program at Westminster University, and Alex White, MS, CMHC, a clinical mental health counselor in private practice in Salt Lake City. Together, they discuss their paths into adventure therapy and experiential education, sharing the pivotal experiences that shaped their work and the ways they each define and practice adventure therapy today. Patrick and Alex also talk about their collaboration on Westminster University’s Adventure Therapy Graduate Certificate program, offering insight into its structure, impact, and the growing interest in training the next generation of practitioners. They close the conversation by reflecting on the importance of mentorship, openness, and community connection in fostering meaningful professional collaborations.   It's in the Experience is produced by Association Briefings.