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It's Not About the Money: In Search of Grounded Fundraising

Heather Winchell and Andy Brennan

91 episodes

2 hours ago

In the season four finale, Heather and Andy reflect on the season’s key discussions, including building trust with Mary Valloni, reframing fundraising mindsets through the soundtracks miniseries, and embracing diverse fundraising approaches with Jenilee. They emphasize that fundraising is formative, not just a means to ministry, shaping one’s view of God and self. Heather announces her departure from the podcast due to other commitments but shares her new podcast, "Thanks for Doing That." The...

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In the season four finale, Heather and Andy reflect on the season’s key discussions, including building trust with Mary Valloni, reframing fundraising mindsets through the soundtracks miniseries, and embracing diverse fundraising approaches with Jenilee. They emphasize that fundraising is formative, not just a means to ministry, shaping one’s view of God and self. Heather announces her departure from the podcast due to other commitments but shares her new podcast, "Thanks for Doing That." The...

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It's Not About the Money: In Search of Grounded Fundraising

57. Farewell...for now!

In the season four finale, Heather and Andy reflect on the season’s key discussions, including building trust with Mary Valloni, reframing fundraising mindsets through the soundtracks miniseries, and embracing diverse fundraising approaches with Jenilee. They emphasize that fundraising is formative, not just a means to ministry, shaping one’s view of God and self. Heather announces her departure from the podcast due to other commitments but shares her new podcast, "Thanks for Doing That." The...

5 months ago

4 minutes

It's Not About the Money: In Search of Grounded Fundraising

56. Church Partnership 5 (mini series)

In the final episode of the church partnerships miniseries, we explore building deeper, non-transactional relationships with churches. We discuss the roles of sending and caring in church support, emphasizing koinonia (biblical fellowship) that integrates financial, emotional, and spiritual partnership. Local churches offer proximity for volunteering and direct ministry involvement, while out-of-area churches provide unique opportunities like mission trips. The three levels of partnership—par...

5 months ago

46 minutes

It's Not About the Money: In Search of Grounded Fundraising

55. Church Partnership 4 (mini series)

In Episode 55, we stress tailoring presentations to a church’s focus, and using the 5 Ws and H to share a ministry’s vision. Prepare well, secure slots early, and use stories and visuals. Keep financial asks clear, seeking larger support from home churches. Engage post-presentation with a table and follow-ups. Churches may give love offerings, regular gifts, or non-financial support like space. Gratitude and consistent updates foster lasting partnerships, emphasizing preparation and authentic...

5 months ago

59 minutes

It's Not About the Money: In Search of Grounded Fundraising

54. Church Partnership 3 (mini series)

Episode 54 emphasizes reframing fundraising as an invitation for churches to join God’s mission, rather than a transactional process. The discussion covers best practices for approaching churches, finding advocates, aligning with like-minded congregations, and maintaining a mindset of prayer and humble confidence. Practical strategies include starting with one’s home church, leveraging personal connections, and ensuring theological and missional alignment with potential partners. [01:00 - 05:...

6 months ago

40 minutes

It's Not About the Money: In Search of Grounded Fundraising

53. Church Partnerships 2 (mini series)

Episode 53 explores biblical foundations for church partnerships in missionary fundraising. Examining Old and New Testament examples, they highlight how God provides through the collective—Israel and the church—supporting Levites, temple workers, and missionaries like Paul. The episode emphasizes mutual provision, spiritual formation, and the unity of the Body of Christ, encouraging missionaries to embrace church partnerships and churches to support sent workers for God’s glory. 0:05 - 5:00 |...

6 months ago

47 minutes

It's Not About the Money: In Search of Grounded Fundraising

52. Church partnerships 1 (mini series)

Episode 52 launches a series on church partnerships, emphasizing their relevance for missionaries. Guest host Corrie McKee, a global worker and author of a forthcoming church partnership curriculum, joins Heather and Andy to discuss stable financial support, networking, and spiritual growth through church collaborations. Sharing personal stories, they highlight how partnerships inspire generosity and plant seeds for future missionaries. 0:05 - 3:14 | Series and Curriculum Intro Heath...

6 months ago

34 minutes

It's Not About the Money: In Search of Grounded Fundraising

51.5 Go ‘Til No: RECAP from our time with Ekren Miller

In this recap episode, Heather Winchell and Andy Brennan revisit their conversation with veteran fundraiser Ekren Miller. Discover why fundraising is an invitation—not begging—and how to cultivate donors through his “Four Pillars” framework: Qualification, Cultivation, Solicitation, and Stewardship. Hear creative cultivation ideas (from yard work to babysitting!), learn how to handle “no” with resilience, and uncover why fundraising shapes who you become. Tune in and walk away with conc...

6 months ago

36 minutes

It's Not About the Money: In Search of Grounded Fundraising

51. Borrowing Tools from Big-Org Fundraising with Ekren Miller

In Episode 51, we ask Dr. Ekren Miller, a major gifts fundraiser, to explore the fundraising principles applicable to personal ministry support. Ekren shares his journey from raising small gifts for overseas work to securing large donations for a university, emphasizing relationship-building, confident asking, and donor stewardship. The episode unpacks four fundraising pillars—qualification, cultivation, solicitation, and stewardship—and offers practical tips for overcoming fear, crafting eff...

6 months ago

1 hour 19 minutes

It's Not About the Money: In Search of Grounded Fundraising

50.5 Goodwin Recap

If you enjoyed this episode, don’t forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share it with your network. Follow It’s Not About the Money for more insightful discussions on faith-based fundraising and support raising! Get help today! Visit www.provisiofundraising.com Follow along @ its.not.about.the.money.pod . . . . . THANKS FOR LISTENING!

7 months ago

22 minutes

It's Not About the Money: In Search of Grounded Fundraising

50. When Fundraising Isn’t One-Size-Fits-All: Neurodiversity and Sustainable Ministry with Jenilee Goodwin

Fundraising can be exhausting—but what if it’s more than just a tough season? What if the way your brain works actually impacts how you navigate support raising? In this episode, we sit down with certified neurodiverse coach and veteran cross-cultural worker Jenilee Goodwin to talk about how conditions like ADHD, autism, and sensory processing differences shape the fundraising experience. From communication overload to executive function challenges to unexpected strengths, Jenilee helps us se...

7 months ago

44 minutes

It's Not About the Money: In Search of Grounded Fundraising

49. Sales ≠ Sleazy: Rethinking the S-Word with Bernie Anderson (Soundtracks)

In this episode of It’s Not About the Money, we’re joined by Bernie Anderson—missions leader, podcast host, business consultant, and certified Growability coach. Bernie helps us reframe our ideas around sales and fundraising, showing how sales, when done with integrity and generosity, can become a transformative experience for both the giver and the receiver. We talk about why fundraising isn’t a transaction but a transformation, why great fundraisers are great listeners, and how donor alignm...

7 months ago

1 hour 7 minutes

It's Not About the Money: In Search of Grounded Fundraising

48. It’s Not Impossible: Reframing Fundraising Through Faith and Formation with Tony Dentman (Soundtracks)

“I was probably the wealthiest person in my family when I chose to go into ministry—then I had to go back and ask my family for money.” “If God did it in my life, He can do it in yours.” “If you’re not willing to be faithful, I can’t do much with you. But if you are—I got you.” In this powerful episode, Tony Dentman of Funding Tribe joins hosts Heather and Andy to reframe the soundtrack of “This is impossible.” Tony shares his journey from inner-city St. Louis to full-time ministry, despite h...

7 months ago

53 minutes

It's Not About the Money: In Search of Grounded Fundraising

47. Fundraising, Fatigue, and the Faith to Keep Going: Dr Mandy on "Is it worth it?" (Soundtracks)

In this thought-provoking episode, Dr. Mandy returns to share her ongoing journey in ministry and fundraising. The conversation explores how ministry fundraising transcends mere numbers—it's about personal formation, genuine partnerships, and living out one’s calling. Dr. Mandy recounts her early introduction to support-based ministry, her refreshing re-engagement with longtime partners (including a memorable 5000-mile road trip), and the lessons learned from her leadership challenges. Interw...

8 months ago

49 minutes

It's Not About the Money: In Search of Grounded Fundraising

46. Dependence Isn’t a Deficit: A Fresh Look at Fundraising with Dr. Jacob Chacko (Soundtracks)

"Our support raising isn’t asking for a favor — it’s an invitation to join in Kingdom work." “Greed isn’t about how much money you have — it’s about what you expect money to give you.” What does it really mean to live with an abundance mindset in a culture of scarcity and self-sufficiency? In this episode of It’s Not About the Money, we’re joined by Dr. Jacob Chacko — a cardiologist, bivocational pastor, and thoughtful teacher — to talk about the spiritual heart of fundraising. Together we ...

8 months ago

50 minutes

It's Not About the Money: In Search of Grounded Fundraising

45. Soundtracks and Self-Narratives: Reframing the Fundraising Journey

“We live at the mercy of our ideas.” – Dallas Willard In this foundational episode of our new series on mental soundtracks in fundraising, we’re joined by the wise and winsome Patty S. If you’ve ever found yourself stuck in patterns of doubt, striving, or self-criticism around fundraising, this episode is for you. We unpack how our internal narratives—the soundtracks we replay in our heads—shape not only our fundraising strategies but also our identity and ministry posture. Drawing on persona...

8 months ago

57 minutes

It's Not About the Money: In Search of Grounded Fundraising

44.5 RECAP of the Gutierrez's Journey from Resistance to Generosity

In this episode, we revisit the conversation with Danny & Stephanie Gutierrez to explore their journey from resisting support raising to fully embracing it as a means to bless others. In Episode 44, they share how their mindset shifted from viewing fundraising as an obligation to seeing it as an opportunity for partnership and generosity. Whether you’re in ministry, fundraising, or simply navigating seasons of transition, this conversation is packed with wisdom, encouragement, and practi...

9 months ago

27 minutes

It's Not About the Money: In Search of Grounded Fundraising

44. From 'Never' to Now: Danny and Stephanie's Fundraising Journey

"We said we'd never fundraise—never. But God had other plans." "The conversations about money were some of the hardest, but they also made us stronger." In this episode of THANKS FOR DOING THAT, Danny and Stephanie Leigh Gutierrez share their journey of stepping into support-based ministry as a married couple. From wrestling with initial doubts to discovering the blessings that come from relying on others' generosity, their story is filled with faith, resilience, and surprising lesso...

9 months ago

1 hour 1 minute

It's Not About the Money: In Search of Grounded Fundraising

43.5 RECAP of Preparing for Fundraising Success

"Fundraising isn’t just a necessary evil. It’s the point where we’re drawn deeper into the body of Christ and into intentional, transformational conversations." "The church needs you as much as the people you're ministering to. This isn’t just about funding—it’s about formation, for you and for the church." In this recap episode, Heather Winchell and Andy Brennan reflect on their conversation with Aaron Gonyou from Unmuzzled Ox. They explore the challenges of ministry fundraising, the role of...

9 months ago

25 minutes

It's Not About the Money: In Search of Grounded Fundraising

43. Coach Aaron Gonyou on Preparing for Fundraising Success

"God could drop the money in your lap, but instead, He takes you through a process that humbles you, grows your faith, and challenges you to see ministry as a team sport—not an individual one." "Support raising is counter-cultural, but it’s not counter-biblical. It transcends culture, and though it’s awkward and hard, it’s a biblical practice that God uses to prepare us for ministry." Heather and Andy are joined by kingdom entrepreneur Aaron Gonyou of Unmuzzled Ox to discuss the critical as...

9 months ago

53 minutes

It's Not About the Money: In Search of Grounded Fundraising

42.5 (RECAP) Building a Support Base That Lasts: Lessons from 25 Years on the Field with Kenton K.

“There is no scarcity in heaven. Never has been, never will be. And there should be no scarcity in our thinking as we move through ministry.” “Don’t let your only point of contact be an appeal for money. Let your points of contact be person-driven, not finance-driven.” In this episode of It’s Not About the Money, hosts Heather Winchell and Andy Brennan welcome special guest Kenton K. to discuss the key themes of a previous conversation with fundraising expert Mary Valloni. The episode dives...

10 months ago

47 minutes