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Just Get A Real Job
Jamie Mackinlay
181 episodes
1 week ago
A podcast that demystifies the creative industries, hosted by Scottish Script Editor Jamie Mackinlay. Each week, Jamie chats with creatives at different stages of their careers about the highs, lows and everything in between. Perfect for anyone interested in working in the arts, Just Get A Real Job celebrates creativity in all its forms and offers insight, humour, and advice for anyone starting out or trying to navigate a career in the arts.
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A podcast that demystifies the creative industries, hosted by Scottish Script Editor Jamie Mackinlay. Each week, Jamie chats with creatives at different stages of their careers about the highs, lows and everything in between. Perfect for anyone interested in working in the arts, Just Get A Real Job celebrates creativity in all its forms and offers insight, humour, and advice for anyone starting out or trying to navigate a career in the arts.
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Ep. 165: ‘Making the Arts Inclusive for All’ with Robert Softley Gales
Just Get A Real Job
1 hour 3 minutes 18 seconds
7 months ago
Ep. 165: ‘Making the Arts Inclusive for All’ with Robert Softley Gales

This week on Just Get A Real Job, I’m joined by the brilliant Robert Softley Gale – a Scottish theatre-maker,  who’s spent over two decades championing inclusivity and accessibility in the arts.


As Artistic Director of Birds of Paradise – Scotland’s leading disability-led theatre company – Robert has reshaped the conversation around representation, storytelling, and what theatre can be. In 2024, he was recognised in The List Hot 100 for his powerful contributions to the industry.


We talk about why disability should never be a barrier to working in the arts, and how Robert’s work continues to break down outdated ideas around access, casting, and creativity.


In this episode, we chat about:


  • ​🎭 30 years of Birds of Paradise
  • ​🌟 Robert’s creative journey
  • ​🎨 Making the arts more accessible
  • ​📖 Telling authentic stories
  • ​🎬 Improving disability representation in casting
  • ​🤔 Why discomfort keeps you creatively sharp
  • ​💡 Advice for navigating theatre in 2025
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If you care about theatre, storytelling, or building a more inclusive creative industry – this one’s for you.


🎧 Tune in now wherever you get your podcasts – and don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and share!



Robert Softley Gale:

Birds of Paradise Theatre Company: https://www.boptheatre.co.uk/

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Just Get A Real Job
A podcast that demystifies the creative industries, hosted by Scottish Script Editor Jamie Mackinlay. Each week, Jamie chats with creatives at different stages of their careers about the highs, lows and everything in between. Perfect for anyone interested in working in the arts, Just Get A Real Job celebrates creativity in all its forms and offers insight, humour, and advice for anyone starting out or trying to navigate a career in the arts.