For part 2 of our series highlighting the state of prisons in the U.S., we speak with Wehtahnah Tucker, a lawyer with more than a decade experience working in the California Department of Corrections and co-moderator of a recent lecture by Angela Davis on prison abolition. Leeya and Wehtahnah go deep on the current state of the carceral system, the Norway Model and the tricky business of shutting down prisons in communities that have come to rely on them as a source of economic stability. Wehtahnah details the complex issues faced by trans prisoners in California and tells us her "audacious" vision for the future of prisons in the state.