In this special episode of the Leading Complexity Podcast, things take an unexpected turn — The host Tomas hands over the interviewing part to Portia Tong, who interviews him instead.Together, they explore the story behind the Leading Complexity Program — how a simple idea about creating a new kind of organizational “operating system” grew into a global learning movement.

Tomas shares how conversations with thought leaders like David Marquet, Stephen Bungay, and Dave Snowden sparked the first event, and how it has evolved into a space for deep learning, inspiration, and authentic connection.

You’ll hear reflections on:

• The origins and purpose of the Leading Complexity program
• Why sharing knowledge freely matters more than ever
• What participants gain from learning directly from the world’s top thinkers

This episode is full of warmth, curiosity, and honest reflection —a rare behind-the-scenes look at what drives the people behind the Leading Complexity program.