In this episode, Mark Graban explores one of the most misunderstood — and most essential — principles of Lean: the commitment to no layoffs due to improvement. Drawing from his work with Johnson & Johnson’s ValuMetrix Services team and stories from Lean Hospitals, Mark explains why Lean cannot thrive in a culture of fear and why protecting people’s livelihoods is foundational to psychological safety.
Through examples from ThedaCare, Silver Cross, Avera McKennan, NorthBay Healthcare, and more, Mark illustrates how a visible “no layoffs” pledge builds trust, accelerates improvement, and strengthens both culture and performance. He also addresses the common misconception that Lean equals cost-cutting, emphasizing instead how freed-up capacity can be reinvested into better care, better service, and better access.
Whether you work in healthcare, manufacturing, tech, or any industry undergoing change, this episode offers a clear lesson:
When leaders protect people, people protect the organization — through creativity, engagement, and continuous improvement.
Perfect for listeners interested in Lean management, psychological safety, culture change, and leadership practices that sustain improvement without sacrificing people.